8. The muir
Carman Hill
Contents
- Carman
- The name
- Early times
- Pseudohistory
- Other accounts
- The fort
- Legal protection
- Importance
- The summit
- Inner enclosure
- Outer enclosure
- Annexe
- Hut circles
- Sunken approaches
- Boulders
- The hill
- Geology of the hill
- Line of pits
- Mount Malou
- Cattle fair
- Square enclosure
- Flying field
- Track
- Rifle range
- View
- Carman Quarry
- Lore
- Couplet
- Flow of the Havock
- Yetts of Carman
- The Dam
- Carman Loch
- Carman Reservoir
- Opening
- The Well
- Carman Cottage
- Remains
- Carman House
- House
- Field system
- Horse fair
- The muir
- Geology of the muir
- Limestone quarries
- Sandstone quarries
- Cairns
- Round enclosure
- Burial chamber
- The Hundred Steps
- Starfish
- Bunker
- Craters
The muir
Geology of the muir
I have created an annotated satellite view
The topography of the parts of Carman Muir that lie to the south of Cardross Road is determined to a large extent by cornstone deposits (see note 1), which outcrop in several places. Cornstone is an impure granular limestone, a fossil soil. Old quarry pits (probably worked before the nineteenth century) and possible test pits can be seen along the lines of these deposits; they are indicated by light blue marker pins on the annotated satellite view, while the cornstone outcrops are marked by orange pins. This area exemplifies what the British Geological Survey calls the Kinnesswood Formation (KNW)

As was pointed out near the beginning of this article, the "General View of the Agriculture of the County of Dumbarton", published by the Rev. Andrew Whyte and Duncan MacFarlan, D.D. in 1811, mentions "Cairman in Cardross" as a source of what the authors call "moor limestone". The context makes it clear that "moor limestone" is cornstone. As the very name "moor limestone" would imply, "Cairman" here is Carman Muir, rather than Carman Hill; the hill itself has sandstone at the base, and agglomerate at the top, but no deposits of limestone.
Beside and to the north of Cardross Road are outcrops of red sandstone rather than cornstone. The sandstone is best seen along a line of outcrops and pits beside the road (these are indicated by reddish marker pins on the annotated satellite view). The most prominent example, at the ENE end of that line, is the old Fairy Knowe Quarry, later known as Carman Quarry, discussed earlier in this article. This area beside and to the north of the road exemplifies the Stockiemuir Sandstone Formation (SCK)

Both north and south of the road, the strata in this area generally dip at an angle of from 10° to 20° from the horizontal, descending towards the SSE; the Stockiemuir Sandstone Formation that is exposed beside and to the north of the road underlies the cornstone-containing Kinnesswood Formation that is to the south of the road.
The annotated satellite view also includes markers for various antiquities, some of which are discussed below.
Notes
(1) "Cornstone": See the paper "Old Cornstone Workings in Dunbartonshire and West Stirlingshire, with Notes on their Associated Flora", by John Mitchell: "Glasgow Naturalist", Volume 22(5), 1995, pp485-494). I have seen only a few pages from that paper, but they inspired my interest in mapping the outcrops and pits in the area. According to that paper, cornstone, which has the alternative name caliche, is a terrestrial rather than a marine limestone. It was burned to produce lime for use in the cultivation of cereal crops; this was a folk industry rather than a large-scale commercial venture, and the practice rapidly tailed off after the start of the nineteenth century. The paper lists several former cornstone workings, including the one shown in the next section. As the paper also explains, former cornstone workings are of ecological importance because the calcium carbonate leached from the rocks gives rise to a less acidic habitat, which can support various plant species that would not otherwise occur in the area.
Limestone quarries
My main aim in creating the annotated satellite view
A selection of outcrops, old quarries and test pits is given below, where the numbering follows that employed in the satellite view (and has no deeper significance); a shared description shows many more of them:
The paper by John Mitchell that is cited in note 1 of the previous section of this article mentions former cornstone workings in this area, as well as the remains of a lime-kiln associated with that site. The spoil mounds at the workings and the ruins of the kiln are shown below:
![]() | ![]() | ![]() | (left, middle) Spoil mounds at the old cornstone workings. (right) Ruins of a lime-kiln (in the foreground), with a pond in the background. |
The pond in the background of the third of those pictures is called the Dookers (a local name only). A similar body of water a little further away also has a local name: Dick's Pond.
Sandstone quarries
As mentioned above, cornstone (a kind of limestone) gives way to red sandstone beside and to the north of Cardross Road. The largest red sandstone quarry, at the former Fairy Knowe, has already been discussed, but it should be mentioned that there are signs of sandstone quarrying on a smaller scale, as well as sandstone outcrops, in various places beside the road.Cairns
There is a report
![]() | ![]() | Two views of Cairn I, which is at NS3687978754. |
![]() | ![]() | Two views of Cairn II, which is at NS3690778741. |
![]() | Cairn III, "not as convincing" as cairns I and II, is at NS3692778769 |
A single cairn, similar to the above, has been reported from further to the west:
![]() | ![]() | ![]() | Three views of the single cairn at NS3663478440. |
On my annotated satellite view


Round enclosure
A nearby feature, originally reported as a "hut circle", is hard to spot. The reports
In satellite imagery, the enclosure is, depending on the data-set that happens to be online at the time, either invisible or barely visible, in contrast to a round green patch a few metres to the southeast, which shows up all too well, but is not the antiquity in question. When there in person, it is certainly possible to discern the outline of the enclosure, and to follow its circular boundary, but it is very difficult to show it effectively in photographs, where a sense of stereoscopic depth is lacking:
![]() | ![]() | ![]() | Three views of the enclosure; it is about 14 metres across. Its curving far side is the most visible feature, or the least invisible. |
Its position is marked

Burial chamber
400 metres to the southwest of the single cairn mentioned above is a burial chamber, described at Canmore
![]() | ![]() | ![]() | (left) In October 1992. (middle) July 2008. (right) November 2010. |
![]() | ![]() | ![]() | (left, middle) November 2010. (right) February 2015. |
The most conspicuous feature from a distance is an upright and rather pointed boulder, 1.65 metres tall, which I take to be of gneiss; it is thought to be one of the portal stones. To judge by surface appearances, that boulder stands at the southeastern end of the burial chamber; there is a scatter of stones to its northwest, although the site has been greatly disturbed as a result of tree planting and removal, and other factors. The burial chamber was excavated in 1954: among the contents were some fifty quartz pebbles. As a result of other finds made there, the site was interpreted as dating from the Neolithic period.
Its position is marked

The Hundred Steps
An old track leads up from Renton, heading through the woods and then uphill between two fields, before it crosses the moor; it heads towards Carman Reservoir, but veers away before reaching it, heading instead to the former site of Carman Farm (that is, the building later known as Carman House, standing to the west of the reservoir). It is likely that the track was created to provide access to Carman Farm.Many years ago, I was told, rightly or not, that this was a former drove road; certainly, the fact that it is enclosed between prominent but well-separated ridges (see the pictures below) where it crosses the open moor, and between walls on the approach to the moor, makes it seem well adapted for moving cattle. It is therefore likely that this route saw some use in taking livestock to the cattle fair at Carman Hill. The original line of the track has been interrupted by the construction of the A82 dual carriageway.
The old track is still well used as a footpath, and it is signposted as such from Upper Carman Road. The name "the Hundred Steps" is one that I and others have long associated with a certain part of this old road: specifically, the part where it ascends between fields. Before that part of the path was improved and made smooth in 2006, there were, not steps, but a few cobble-like stones at various places along the way, and this gave rise to the local name. Back then, there was little difference between the path and the small burn that now follows a channel to its side; the burn flowed across the path in several places, and along it in others.
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